the fact that after being assured that the democratic super pac priorities usa would stay neutral, jim messina made it clear they were getting on the hillary clinton bandwagon. -- the lack of discipline or the fact that being vice president is, in a sense, a recipe for being rodney dangerfield. it's that the democratic party is unlikely perhaps to nominate or to rally around a white male presidential candidate, perhaps for quite sometime. so let's talk a little bit more about this clinton-biden issue. joining me is msnbc contributor and former white house press secretary for president obama, robert gibbs, and tracey sefle who serves as an advisor to ready for hillary. i'm not saying you're being put on the side of biden here, but what was your -- what do you make of where biden's standing is? i thought that anonymous quote said it all, right? here's a guy who's gotten as close to the brass ring as he's ever gotten before, and then suddenly, the representing apparently has disappeared. >> right. and i thought it was a remarkably well-written piece by glenn. glenn is not used to me sayin